thanks mike, sorry for my delay, been real busy with all this election nonsense, and now i'm trying to get a workover unit lined up for a coupla wells i'll be reentering presently. i'll be on the board here a little more frequently now, so stay in touch. spring will bring the need for the most help, and i'd like to do the layout runs before the snakes come out, it gets too windy, etc. we'll see... maybe we can meet somewhere during the holidays or something... ideas are just as important as roads/routes as they haven't moved much lately! thanks again, jack b in midland, tx usa