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Electric CRF from Honda with Swappable Battery

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This is a big step:

Sure, it's the kid's bike but the swappable battery is the next step. Gogoro in Taiwan has paved the way for this technology. I am sure the swappable battery is the one that will be shared between Honda, Yamaha, KTM and others. Next will be scooters and small bikes. Husqvarna will introduce an electric Svartpilen soon.

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I think an electric trials bike would be awesome. You could keep it light by not putting a ton of battery capacity in it, and this swappable battery would allow that. It wouldn't matter if the capacity is low if you could charge one while riding the other. Plus trials courses aren't very long and they don't use the motor constantly. Just short squirts of torque which electric drive is really good at.

In my mind the electric motor would spin a flywheel which still has a standard clutch setup. This lets you still use the clutch like you are used to, and spin the flywheel for balancing aid just like revving the motor.

Ryobi also just announced a new replaceable 80V lithium pack for their lawn equipment. There's no reason why a pack like that couldn't be used to make the economy of scale better for everybody.
 
While I think this is very cool, especially for a little kid, I do feel sorry for the next generation. If electric does take over completely one day, they will never understand the sweet aroma of a two-stroke, pre-mix exhaust, the smile inducing BRAAAAAP of a finely tuned four-stroke, and maybe even the ultimate control of shifting through a close ratio six-speed transmission. Choices are good, so hopefully, they will still have them, but it sure seems like dying thrills. Sure am glad that I'm an old guy, lol.
 
It wouldn't matter if the capacity is low if you could charge one while riding the other.
I'd expect the need for multiple batteries if they are anything like Li rechargeables we currently have. We deplete them faster than we can charge them back up.
 
This is a big step:

Sure, it's the kid's bike but the swappable battery is the next step. Gogoro in Taiwan has paved the way for this technology. I am sure the swappable battery is the one that will be shared between Honda, Yamaha, KTM and others. Next will be scooters and small bikes. Husqvarna will introduce an electric Svartpilen soon.

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If they want any chance of this taking off, the battery must be interchangable both between models and between brands.
Instead of a fuel truck, you have a battery truck, or instead of jerry can's, you have some spare batteries. Have a friend that needs a battery, no problem, just loan them one of yours.

I have said an easily swapable battery for EV cars is the only way for EV to really work.
Be able to charge at home still for daily use, but have a corner "battery" station for traveling that you can go to and do a battery trade when away from home in under 10 minutes.
But this requires too much forethought and copereation between brands.
Heck, we can't even get auto makers to agree on what plug to use.
While I think this is very cool, especially for a little kid, I do feel sorry for the next generation. If electric does take over completely one day, they will never understand the sweet aroma of a two-stroke, pre-mix exhaust, the smile inducing BRAAAAAP of a finely tuned four-stroke, and maybe even the ultimate control of shifting through a close ratio six-speed transmission. Choices are good, so hopefully, they will still have them, but it sure seems like dying thrills. Sure am glad that I'm an old guy, lol.
I don't think my 16 year old son has any idea what a 2 stroke is, much less what it smells like.
 
If they want any chance of this taking off, the battery must be interchangable both between models and between brands.
Instead of a fuel truck, you have a battery truck, or instead of jerry can's, you have some spare batteries. Have a friend that needs a battery, no problem, just loan them one of yours.

I have said an easily swapable battery for EV cars is the only way for EV to really work.
Be able to charge at home still for daily use, but have a corner "battery" station for traveling that you can go to and do a battery trade when away from home in under 10 minutes.
But this requires too much forethought and copereation between brands.
Heck, we can't even get auto makers to agree on what plug to use.

I don't think my 16 year old son has any idea what a 2 stroke is, much less what it smells like.
Several companies including Honda, Yamaha, KTM and others I don't remember signed an agreement to develop and use the same batteries some time ago. It's coming. I'd say, if anyone has any money, invest in new infrastructure. I think there's money to be made.
 
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The GREEN WEENIES will eventually get their way until armageddon, then they'll be scrambling for something they can put fuel in. That's when KLRs will rule the day! :rider:
 
It blows my mine that people think electric vehicle are green or good for the environment. This is absolutely not the case. Lithium and Cobalt are used is almost all rechargeable batteries and are extremely toxic. Recycling is not the answer because you can not recycle what you don't have. You have to continue to pull it out the ground as demand for new items increases with population. Unlike the oil industry which is well established and for the most part is ran by major companies, lithium and cobalt mines still use children and slave labor and completely destroy the surrounding environment with little to no regulation. We need to open our eyes and stop believing the agenda of those who are trying to make a buck by selling electric as the green answer!!!

 
Just to throw more gasahol on the fire.......

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Just to throw more gasahol on the fire.......

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Yep, the most dangerous greenhouse gas is nitrous oxide and the largest contributor to that is crops. Adding more crops to make ethanol is a huge mistake. Producing and burning a gallon of ethanol produces about 200 times the amount of nitrous oxide as a gallon of gasoline not to mention the damage to exhaust systems and engine components. It's all about the corn lobby forcing them to put ethanol in our gas.
 
Yep, the most dangerous greenhouse gas is nitrous oxide and the largest contributor to that is crops. Adding more crops to make ethanol is a huge mistake. Producing and burning a gallon of ethanol produces about 200 times the amount of nitrous oxide as a gallon of gasoline not to mention the damage to exhaust systems and engine components. It's all about the corn lobby forcing them to put ethanol in our gas.
Just follow the money, and that is where the problem lies.
 
It blows my mine that people think electric vehicle are green or good for the environment. This is absolutely not the case. Lithium and Cobalt are used is almost all rechargeable batteries and are extremely toxic. Recycling is not the answer because you can not recycle what you don't have. You have to continue to pull it out the ground as demand for new items increases with population. Unlike the oil industry which is well established and for the most part is ran by major companies, lithium and cobalt mines still use children and slave labor and completely destroy the surrounding environment with little to no regulation. We need to open our eyes and stop believing the agenda of those who are trying to make a buck by selling electric as the green answer!!!

If you truly care, how could you possibly buy ever 1 gallon of gas? Isn't it the case that most people just don't like E-Mobility because they feel it is an assault on their personal freedom of mobility?
 
I borrowed this from a nextdoor post but I thought it was pretty good!

Thought this was good info! This is an excellent breakdown. General Information! > Batteries, they do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid. > Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?" > Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car. > There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals. > Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them. > All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill. > In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly. > But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive production costs. > A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells. > It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery." > Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?" > I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not. This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why. > The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled. > Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades. > There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions. > "Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.
 
If you just had posted, I like gas engines and think that EV is not cool, I would give you a like. But this wall of (mostly) nonsense makes me speechless.
 
(edit - deleting post, I'm not getting involved...)
 
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