I currently own a 21 KTM 390 Adventure and you can say I am certainly intrigued with what I see.I think a lot of KTM 390 and Royal Enfield single buyers will be checking them out. I like the red one but they got the insignia on the tank crocked.
Will they be in the USSA in January 2024?
While I acknowledge that Triumph is more premium than Honda, if they price their Scrambler at the same price or higher than the Honda's people may not be as inclined to putting their money down for the little Triumph.
They are not as classic looking as you might think... Take a look at the tank: it leans forward. The size of the wheels, the shape of the rear headlight. And those are the visual cues. The engine is very modern, 6 speed transmission. Classic would be the new BSA. Engine is based on the old rotax engine found in the F650, it has a 5 speed transmission and an 18" wheel on the front.I think you might be surprised. Some people (like me...) really prefer much of the authenticity and specific styling of the Triumph modern classics vs. a much more modern design like your SCL500. I actually think the SCL500 compares a lot more with the Triumph Trident 660, and the price difference is more readily justified by the bigger displacement, higher-performance package of the Triumph. Honda doesn't really make a motorcycle that competes with the Triumph modern classics since they discontinued the CB1100. For example, I was actually kind of interested in a CB1100, and I have very little interest in a Trident 660.
FWIW I think the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE actually comes very close to veering too far from the classic formula and blurs the line a bit vs. ordinary ADV bikes. The Scrambler 400X clearly sticks to the old formula.
Take all this as intended, from a guy with a closet full of Triumph t-shirts.
They are not wasting time!"Now taking deposits on Triumph’s latest machines, the 400 series at https://ironsupply.com/!!" Ask for Ed!
They are not as classic looking as you might think... ... Classic would be the new BSA.
I called Ed seemed really nice. The deposit is 500.)0 and he said when they come in I can choose between the speed and scrambler. He said they are expected to be under 6000 bucks (yeah right) He said the deposit is refundable if I change my mind (yeah right) He said they already have several deposits. He also said he doesn't see BSA comming to America because of no dealer network. They expect them this fall but I bet it is January. If he will write contract where I can gey my money back if I die of old age before I get the bike I may put a deposit down. Heck back when I was crazy I spent 500 the bars in one night. It was decades ago."Now taking deposits on Triumph’s latest machines, the 400 series at https://ironsupply.com/!!" Ask for Ed!
I think the bike looks fine. It's the weight that's the problem for me. A scrambler should be able to scramble a little bit. It's a single cylinder bike that should weigh less IMO. My '17 Kawasaki Z650 (non-ABS) weighs 403 wet. A Z400 weighs about 360 wet. The new, hideously ugly Honda 500 scrambler weighs 423. If I buy a 400cc single cylinder bike classified as a scrambler, I want it to be relatively light and nimble...and especially when it only has 40 HP. Sorry...classic looks and nostalgia only go so far for me.They are not as classic looking as you might think... Take a look at the tank: it leans forward. The size of the wheels, the shape of the rear headlight. And those are the visual cues. The engine is very modern, 6 speed transmission. Classic would be the new BSA. Engine is based on the old rotax engine found in the F650, it has a 5 speed transmission and an 18" wheel on the front.
Kawasaki needs to make a Z400RS and Yamaha needs to make an XSR300
You sound like the typical adv rider: if it’d have 20 HP more and weighed 50 pounds less…I think the bike looks fine. It's the weight that's the problem for me. A scrambler should be able to scramble a little bit. It's a single cylinder bike that should weigh less IMO. My '17 Kawasaki Z650 (non-ABS) weighs 403 wet. A Z400 weighs about 360 wet. The new, hideously ugly Honda 500 scrambler weighs 423. If I buy a 400cc single cylinder bike classified as a scrambler, I want it to be relatively light and nimble...and especially when it only has 40 HP. Sorry...classic looks and nostalgia only go so far for me.
I don't disagree at all. I do think most Americans associate power figures with price. How many high spec small bikes do we get? A lot of people look at raw performance first. What's the horsepower? How fast will it go? Think KTM 690 SMC R. Top of the line but when you look at the price, you know you can get something "better" for that kind of money. Whatever pricing these little Triumphs will be matters.Oh, classic design is not the same thing as antiquated technology. The Triumph is just not in the same category as the Honda in terms of actual functional classic design. This is why I compared the Honda with the Triumph Trident, which is for all intents and purposes an ordinary modern motorcycle, but with cosmetic and ergonomic treatment to make it look and feel more "classic". That's different than beginning with a classic design in the chassis where form follows function. I admit, Triumph has taken a lot of steps in the wrong direction in recent years, but they are still at least making an effort to hold the line.
There's a difference in my mind between beginning with a classic design as the starting point and modernizing it where required for regulations vs starting with a modern design and trying to make it look cosmetically classic without really changing the fundamental engineering choices. I know we probably disagree on this, but that's why some people will buy the Honda and others will choose the Triumph even at a higher price.
Rob have you or anyone else bought or used Iron Supply Motorcycle in Katy?"Now taking deposits on Triumph’s latest machines, the 400 series at https://ironsupply.com/!!" Ask for Ed!
LOL!...probably not. Hey, I thought everyone lusted after more power and lighter weight. The stuff dreams are made of.You sound like the typical adv rider: if it’d have 20 HP more and weighed 50 pounds less…
How'd you see the bike since it's not released?LOL!...probably not. Hey, I thought everyone lusted after more power and lighter weight. The stuff dreams are made of.
But back in the real world I'm riding a KLX300 that even decently modded may only get about 24 HP. I ride a Z650 which is a fun bike but no barn burner. And I ride an XR650L which speaks for itself. However, the one thing I like about all three is that they are decently light for their class. What! you say on the XR? I did mention in their class and only 17 pounds heavier than a KTM690.
But honestly for me, I do appreciate bikes that make some effort to keep their weight down in their class which is why this Honda scrambler weighing 20 pounds more than my Z650 kind of puts me off. A neat little single cylinder 400cc scrambler ought to be a little lighter on its feet IMO.
And hold on there gore-tx...don't the typical ADV riders ride KTM's and BMW's?
Oh, wait a minute for a quick edit: Anyone check out the passenger footpegs on this bike in person. I was looking at the one on the floor at the shop I used to work at part time. It looked like the passenger might need to be a contortionist to sit back there. And I say that from a perspective of not caring about accommodating passengers anymore. The distance from the pegs to the rear passenger part of the saddle seemed ridiculously close.
The 400 I wager could could shed I bet 20 pounds and look good too with a new exhaust. System. Most bikes can. I need to shed about 30 to but the exhaust is ok.LOL!...probably not. Hey, I thought everyone lusted after more power and lighter weight. The stuff dreams are made of.
But back in the real world I'm riding a KLX300 that even decently modded may only get about 24 HP. I ride a Z650 which is a fun bike but no barn burner. And I ride an XR650L which speaks for itself. However, the one thing I like about all three is that they are decently light for their class. What! you say on the XR? I did mention in their class and only 17 pounds heavier than a KTM690.
But honestly for me, I do appreciate bikes that make some effort to keep their weight down in their class which is why this Honda scrambler weighing 20 pounds more than my Z650 kind of puts me off. A neat little single cylinder 400cc scrambler ought to be a little lighter on its feet IMO.
And hold on there gore-tx...don't the typical ADV riders ride KTM's and BMW's?
Oh, wait a minute for a quick edit: Anyone check out the passenger footpegs on this bike in person. I was looking at the one on the floor at the shop I used to work at part time. It looked like the passenger might need to be a contortionist to sit back there. And I say that from a perspective of not caring about accommodating passengers anymore. The distance from the pegs to the rear passenger part of the saddle seemed ridiculously close.
Whoa!...you're right. I'm on another thread about the Honda 500 Scrambler, and was referring to that bike on the footpegs. I got scrambled on the scramblers...LOL! My edit was in reference to the Honda 500 Scrambler. The rest of the post is about the Triumph. And I wasn't drinking when I got scrambled...honest.How'd you see the bike since it's not released?
it was so heavy it had a cat in it but it was still a dog.